The article is an answer to the question of Zhihu “On March 29th, there were 326 new confirmed local cases and 5656 asymptomatic infected cases in Shanghai, what is the current situation? The answer to the question “What is the current situation?
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Holding the only remaining bit of goodwill and patience for the mainstream users of the know-how, and finally make a comb about the epidemic, but also to respond to all kinds of strange views around the current round of the epidemic.
1.The current round of epidemic prevention and control in Shanghai is not effective, proving that there is no future in the existing epidemic prevention and control system to engage in tinkering like fine-tuning, euphemistically referred to as “precision prevention and control of the epidemic”.
However, the reason why there are all kinds of living materials, medical resources on the run, not sealing the city is not decisive enough, but still adhere to the zero policy at the same time, but also try to “minimize the impact”, so it becomes four different.
The success of Shanghai's past epidemic prevention lies in the fact that the outbreak was detected as early as possible through key screening, and then the flow transfer team raced against the virus to trace it back to its source before it finished spreading to the community over a large area, and then isolating all the connections in the flow transfer chain to “minimize the impact”.
However, Omicron is far less virulent than Delta, the original strain. The majority of patients are asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms, and even if everyone is a conscientious disease preventionist, there is no way to report it and detect it early - after all, they may not even realize they are infected. As early as before the current round of large-scale outbreaks, small-scale outbreaks in Tianjin, Hangzhou, Henan and other places have been unable to complete the traceability, so that there are all kinds of contradictory traceability conclusions. To put it bluntly, the initial source may have already been cured and turned negative, the flow of personnel testing may be the second or third batch of infected people, so the traceability is not only to deal with the upper and lower levels of political conclusions?
In fact, there is no need for Omicron, this race against the virus, even in 21 years, is an unrepeatable tightrope walk, and a strategy with no room for error is never worth applying in the long term. The core problem with precision flow tuning is that it has to be made to a 100, and as long as it's late, or misses someone, then a 90 is no different than a 0. So I don't understand why many respondents are obsessing over the anthropomorphized, superficial reasons for the arrogance of Shanghai's leaders, while pretending not to see the essential problem.
For example, many respondents say that the current outbreak originated from an accident at the Huating Hotel and was therefore completely avoidable. But it is clear to anyone with common sense that accidents and mistakes are bound to exist within any system. In the short term, you can spell out the probability, and when you put it over a longer period of time, the likelihood of an accident is only 100 percent. This is like your secondary school exam, there will always be two or three questions belong to the “low-level mistakes”, always can think of the next time to avoid mistakes can be upgraded a grade, but really “flawless” when it is lucky.
What's more, the source of this Omicron is really only one Huating Hotel?
Therefore, in order to respond to the general line of clearance in Shanghai, but also trying to “minimize the impact”, so adhere to the precise prevention of the epidemic from the day, has been doomed to the outbreak of the epidemic.
And probably because of the attempt to prevent the epidemic precisely, there was no plan for a large-scale closure of the city, so medical resources and living supplies simply could not keep up with the situation, so that buying food relied on looting, and many of the employees who were sealed off and controlled in their companies were simply not taken care of. At the same time, in order to respond to the clearance of the universal nucleic acid, with mildly asymptomatic should be collected, but also further caused a run on medical resources. In fact, in the epidemic has spread socially and decided to seal the control of specific areas, the whole staff of the nucleic acid daily test is not very meaningful, after all, the flow itself has been static, but only in vain consumption of resources. 26 March, Mrs. Carrie Lam said in a televised speech, (to this point) continue to ask us to make the whole population of the nucleic acid people should reflect on.
At the same time, the significance of square pod hospitals is also rather dubious. According to a video of a speech made by a nurses' conference in Shanghai which has been circulated, there is only one doctor and two nurses on duty in square pod hospitals during the daytime, and there is even only one nurse on duty at night, and not only is there no ability to provide treatment other than distributing medication, but also no way of contacting the hospitals of the opposite sex at night. What is the difference between such a hospital in a square cabin and taking medication at home, apart from having to put up with even worse accommodation conditions and the possibility of cross-infection? On the contrary, it will further increase the medical burden.
To put it simply, Shanghai wants to minimize the impact, but it must also complete the established operation under the general line, so it is not involved in both, and both are not pleasing to the eye.
2.There is no new Shenzhen model that can be used as a reference; the essence of the Shenzhen model is still “Wuhan sealing off the city”.
A few days ago, under the Shanghai epidemic, a large number of respondents praised Shenzhen's prevention and control, praising the so-called Shenzhen model.
However, a review of the development of the epidemic in Shenzhen shows that there is no new system of epidemic prevention and control.
The current round of the Shenzhen epidemic is since mid-February 2022, Shenzhen in order to control the epidemic, the beginning of the road is also flow deployment precision epidemic prevention, found ineffective after the beginning of the gradual escalation of control efforts.
Continuously set up new sealing and control area, preventive area, from the key population nucleic acid test, gradually expanding to public transportation, restaurants, service establishments and other places need 48 hours nucleic acid report, and then almost the whole of Shenzhen in and out of the district, go to work need 48 hours nucleic acid report or 24 hours nucleic acid proof ... and Shanghai so-called “a knife a knife cut Like Shanghai's so-called “one-size-fits-all”, the prevention and control efforts are gradually increased, hoping to find a critical point where the impact is as small as possible. Unfortunately, however, all of the above proved ineffective, and the total number of diagnosed + asymptomatic continues to rise.
So on March 12, the end of a meeting, all over the world to re-emphasize the road to zero not slack, Shenzhen finally returned to the old familiar road, offering the so-called seven-day “slow life” magic. In the “slow life”, stop all to protect the basic operation of the city, people's livelihood, emergency business office, will be in addition to protect the basic operation of the city's party and government organs, institutions, staff have turned into community volunteers, called on all non-essential not to leave the house, and only finally realized some advocates of the Shenzhen model people come up with charts of the new diagnosis quickly to After the peak, it gradually decreased.
So what's the difference between this so-called “slow life” and the 20-year citywide closure of Wuhan? It's even harsher. So if Shenzhen's “success” has taught us anything, it's that it's just a re-reading of what Shanghai's epidemic prevention has already proved: in the face of omicron, if we still want to maintain the old idea of clearing out the city, then closing the city incompletely is the same as not closing the city at all. That is to say, once the omicron has not been eliminated at its original source, there is no intermediate option, only the closure of the city.
It is also worth noting that after the nadir of positive cases dropping to 3 asymptomatic cases on March 26th, “1+6” were found on March 27th, “3+6” on March 28th (4 cases were found during community screening, the so-called socially confirmed cases), and “1+7” on March 29th (2 socially confirmed cases)...I said in my reply on March 26th that the city was closed for 7 days before the current case was detected in Shenzhen. March 29 also found “1 + 7” (2 cases of social face) ... I said in my reply on March 26, Shenzhen in seven days after the closure of the city this round of outbreaks can end, now it seems that perhaps also optimistic, continue to have social face of the diagnosis, may be in the thinking of the zero, the next round of the peak of the city has to be closed and then Not too far away.
3.Wuhan-style closure of the city, can solve the current round of the Shanghai epidemic, but the question is, when will the next wave come?
I've often seen respondents say that the whole city will be quiet for a week or two weeks, so what can be done? Indeed, if sealing off the city can really solve the problem once and for all, then united and with all the people, enduring that two weeks to a month, the problem can always be solved. The reason why Wuhan was almost universally supported back then was also due to this logic. It is not even unacceptable to take a step back and say that if, like in '21, the imported epidemic is extraordinary, and on average we only have to put up with one closure a year, then it is not unacceptable.
Yet we are dealing with Omicron.
In the experience of other parts of the country, the intervals between outbreaks of Omicron are so short that they tend to be non-existent.
Shenzhen January 8 outbreak of the first round of this year's epidemic, in late January and early February when the zero removal of stars, but the epidemic again in mid-February resurgence, in the middle of the period of time without confirmed cases, may be more than the spring of Shenzhen more short!
Similarly, how many days has Tianjin been free of new cases since the start of 2022?
March 29th Shanghai epidemic under the issue, a respondent said to be grateful to Ruili such border city to pay, I think thanks can stop for a while, because under the logic of sealing the city, may soon be able to enjoy more than half of a year in the sealing of the city of Ruili-style treatment. And if they really become Ruili residents, then I believe what they want is not a light thanksgiving.
4.Whether or not it is acceptable to seal the city is not a matter of people's will, but must be calculated on economic accounts.
Or a few days ago was praised as a model of epidemic prevention in Shenzhen, for example, Shenzhen announced on March 12 to upgrade the epidemic prevention policy, immediately issued two tweets, a talk about the need to open a green channel for the operation of key enterprises, a talk about how to accurately implement measures to help enterprises.
After all, although A4 carving is the first productive force, but can make blood foreign trade, material production, etc. still rely on enterprise workers. So even if the crowd flow can be banned, enterprise production should also have a green channel. But since it is specifically emphasized to be special, it necessarily means that there are still a large number of enterprises are unable to function.
So how much material, foreign exchange and fiscal revenue is lost in a week of slow living? And how much excess cost do we need to pay for this week?
It is more important to note that, for the manufacturing industry, stopping work for a week or two is not just in the profits deducted four or five percent so simple. On the one hand, the payment of fixed costs still have to pay, and this alone can turn its own profit into nothing; on the other hand, if the city is closed only once a year, the customer may still be able to tolerate, but the assumption that the closure of the city to become the new normal, force majeure factors become a daily disruption of the item, it is no one will accept such a high degree of uncertainty! And the manufacturing industry is certainly settled, but the same, once really transferred, but do not want to come back, which is really no regrets to eat.
This is not alarmist, even in most of the time unaffected by the epidemic, allegedly import and export of the first half of 2021, the reality is that “the country into the people retreat”, small and medium-sized enterprises are still hovering on the line of life and death. At the same time, in the local financial, the national contribution to the financial revenue over the transfer of income of the provinces and cities is only a Shanghai. So can we really withstand the tossing and turning efforts destined to be ten times that of 2022?
Of course, I believe in the endurance of our masses, and past history eloquently proves it. But the existing epidemic prevention system that can protect people's livelihood even under a sealed city that operates as efficiently as Shenzhen requires super-high costs to maintain! What would happen if it didn't cost so much? Look at Jilin.
Jilin announced that the province has been closed for three weeks, the restrictions are more stringent than Shenzhen, the result of the new cases was once more and more, four days ago finally saw the inflection point, but also remains in more than a thousand cases (plus asymptomatic after 2,000 cases) at a high level. A Changchun friend told me that since March 25th, the community has not been able to monitor who did not do the nucleic acid, the nucleic acid test time began to be inconsistent with the advance notice, she once did not catch the test, and can be sure that her building has a lot of simply did not go to the test, which may be another kind of “do not test or do not have” it. This could be another case of “no test, no go”.
At the same time, in the basic livelihood, Changchun difficult to buy food problem also repeatedly on the hot search. Changchun is really no fruit and vegetable fresh? I believe that in the stock is not a shortage, but the lack of fruits and vegetables in line with the epidemic prevention standards (a fruit and vegetable store owners, employees, distributors positive need to check all fruits and vegetables), the lack of channels and manpower to put, and these need to be very high cost to maintain.
All of the above, and the attitude and style of party cadres have no relationship, purely economic can not afford this cost. Jilin City, the highest income of community workers only three thousand a month, ask yourself if this remuneration can make you twenty-four hours around the clock to maintain order, to ensure that the nucleic acid should be examined as much as possible, to solve the blocking and controlling the masses of the urgent difficulties and worries?
There are always some people who have no understanding of the functioning of modern civilization. On the one hand, they ridicule the urban petites who think that it is only natural to have water once the tap is turned on, but on the other hand, they underestimate, or even completely deny the role of the economy, thinking that the spiritual atomic bomb can overcome everything. And the truth is that in areas where finances are collapsing, it's hard to press on with even the current round of epidemics. --and that's just the tiniest of beginnings.
5.It can be argued that Shanghai is not unique, but any city with the ability to create blood is bound to face a dilemma similar to Shanghai's.
Under previous replies, there are always suspected regional separatists claiming that “Shanghai's ability to create blood is the result of taking resources and elite talent from the provinces, and is not something to boast about.” However, the truth or falsehood of this proposition has nothing to do with the topic of epidemic prevention. Because where there is the ability to create blood in the city, is bound to be deeply involved in the exchange of materials with the outside world, as long as this premise remains unchanged, that specific city in the end is Shanghai or the sea in fact does not matter, they will face the same risk of imported epidemics.
Of course, some smart masters of the country, may propose to move industries to the interior, but in addition to Beijing, such as the accumulation of large cities due to policy, the reason why the industrial chain is arranged along the coast, it is the result of the optimal solution of the market choice. If a new era of “three-line project” is set off, the end will only be to make our industrial products low-cost advantage is also a rapid loss, and ultimately completely lose the competitiveness of international trade, and the layout of enterprises in the coastal city by the epidemic closed to the plague, in fact, the same way.
Then we must face a logical paradox. If the economy of the blood-producing region as soon as the case is found to seal the city, the rest of the country is protected by the probability of becoming greater (of course, not at all safe, 21 years of Harbin, Xinjiang, Guangxi, Yunnan, a number of outbreaks can be their own border transmission), but there is the ability to create blood in the area of the “region of the static”, will not be able to give enough transfers, and so the Collapse. On the other hand, according to the “one city, one policy”, the economy of the blood-creation areas due to its cow properties, as mild as possible, that will lead to spillover risk, the impact of the inland provinces in each round will require at least up to a month of static solution, the financial support is also unable to support.
6.What we lack most is a proper understanding of the virulence of omicron, and what should be focused on is the number of deaths from severe cases, not the number of positives.
There are always those who claim that this severity and mortality rate is unacceptable to us, citing the death figures in the United States as an example.
However, the original strain, delta, and omicron are three very different types of viruses with very different presentations, and they should not be equated just because they are all new crowns and their variants. At the same time, antigenic fast screening, mrna vaccines, targeted drugs, etc. are slowly emerging one by one, and the right strategy to deal with them is still being worked out, so how can we confuse these two years of data and look at them together?
Even in Hong Kong, where the performance of omikujon has been extremely lagging, the mortality rate has indeed exceeded one percent, but what about a closer look at the data?
First of all, even if we start from the data available in Hong Kong, the mortality rate of serious illnesses has been greatly overestimated. Hong Kong's peak daily increase of 40,000 or 50,000, its growth rate has far exceeded the upper limit of Hong Kong's nucleic acid testing capacity, not to mention that a press conference has been held on March 26, claiming that no longer carry out the whole city nucleic acid testing. As in the case of Wuhan back then, the number of confirmed cases was not determined by the actual number of patients, but by the number of nucleic acid tests. As Wuhan saw a nearly ten-fold increase in confirmed cases after the testing capacity was increased on a single day (and even then the base number of confirmed cases must have been vastly underestimated because there was no capacity to test for mild cases for at least two weeks, and those with truly mild symptoms had already cured themselves), the actual number of confirmed cases in Hong Kong must have been vastly underestimated as well.
Secondly, we'll see that the median age of death in Hong Kong from omikron is a whopping 85 years old, which is equal to the life expectancy in Hong Kong. When we look at it by age, the mortality rate is really not as high as that of influenza among people under 50 years of age, which is not even a large-sized influenza anymore, but purely a miniature version of influenza. In saying all this, I am not saying that the elderly should just give up, but I am saying that, on the one hand, at least when we young people do suffer from the new crown, we should not panic to the extent that we seem to have a terminal illness. If you do not know the real mortality rate of serious illnesses in your age group, it is impossible for you to accept the so-called home isolation for minor illnesses, which in turn will lead to a medical squeeze like the one in Hong Kong. On the other hand, junior high school biology teaches that the basic idea of infectious disease prevention and control is to protect the “susceptible group”, so if Omicron only threatens the lives of the high-risk group, shouldn't they be given special protection instead of everyone tying their own hands?
Finally, it is important to note that more than 91% of all deaths are unvaccinated or only received one dose of vaccine, and that with three doses (even if the vaccine is Coxsackie), the rate of severe illness is exponentially reduced. That is to say, the true lethality rate of Omicron in Hong Kong is also below 1 in 1,000 if the three doses of vaccination are completed, and if the problem of the diagnostic base is taken into account, it is likely to come to the level of 2 or 3 in 10,000 cases. Whether or not we can accept this level of lethality can be further debated, but we cannot fail to recognize this lethality and continue to fix the basis of discussion at 1 per cent.
Besides, globally, Hong Kong is undoubtedly the worst of the worst. Respondents who are determined to clear the air always use Hong Kong as an example to scare people, claiming that our population density is higher than that of Hong Kong (question mark face) and our healthcare resources are far inferior to that of Hong Kong, so we will be even worse off after liberalization. However, even if we do not consider Singapore and South Korea, or our neighboring Vietnam, which is even less economically developed and equally densely populated, the total number of new cases diagnosed in Vietnam exceeds 8 million, and the number of deaths is only 40,000, which is still far lower than Hong Kong's, with a lethality rate of 5 per 1,000 people, taking into account the original strain of Omicron. If you only count the omikron, then Vietnam's recent daily new diagnosis of 100,000 or so, new deaths of only 60 or 70 cases, the lethality rate is directly down to 67 per 10,000 people. So, are the staunch purists thinking that we are not as good as Hong Kong, much less better than Vietnam?
It's also because the basis of discussion that the vast majority of people are positioning themselves on (a lethality rate of over 1/100th of a percent) is just wrong that there's panic over the ever increasing number of confirmed + asymptomatic people, but isn't it only the critically ill who are really costing healthcare resources and potentially causing danger? And where do we stand with the critically ill?
According to a CCTV news release, on March 29th, there were 1,565 new confirmed local cases + 7,090 asymptomatic cases, while the number of critically ill patients only increased by 3 from the previous day.
7.We don't always have a choice whether to “open up” or not, and it is precisely in order to avoid a humanitarian catastrophe such as the one in Hong Kong after opening up that we need to prepare in a more pragmatic way.
Many respondents will claim that there is no turning back once it opens up, so even though it always has to open up eventually, they can just wait for the virus to continue to get weaker or to stop mutating.
But on the one hand, as mentioned in points 3, 4 and 5 above, we don't always have a choice, and in fact the current round of the epidemic is already being controlled left and right, and the bitter fruit of the economic slowdown has only just been swallowed and the effects are only just fermenting. So there is indeed no back button for active liberalization, but there is also no back button for continued zeroing out without preparation, once it becomes unsustainable! We don't always have a choice if we don't want to!
On the other hand, it is precisely because we feel that opening up will always come, but it is not in the foreseeable future, that we simply do not attach importance to the preparations necessary to face opening up, so that the two years or so of adjustment that we have striven for have all been wasted, and once the line of defense is pierced and we are forced to turn to opening up, there will certainly be a humanitarian disaster like the one that happened in Hong Kong instead!
It is precisely these epidemic prevention enthusiasts “man will triumph over God” drumming, all the preparations we have made are in the zero track keep moving forward, and not in the least for the “always coming” opening up to leave room for manoeuvre.
Singapore also implemented a strict zero-zero policy for 20 years and maintained zero new additions for a long time, and the number of ICU beds expanded tenfold during that time. But what about us? It is said that the number of beds is also increasing, so how much has it really increased?
Including the square pods, which are now being launched in all provinces of the country, is also a product of the zero-addition mentality. After all, as stated in the first point, the square pods are only suitable for minor illnesses, but minor illnesses don't need the square pods at all.
Apart from that, our new medical technology has not kept pace. Fubitide vaccine in Hong Kong is better than Kexing's, but it is shelved on the shelf; Pfizer's drugs, even if they are not effective, are more reliable than Lianhua Qingdian, but they were not introduced into the diagnosis and treatment program until the latest version, and only today did they issue a news release saying that they would introduce them (and were questioned by the majority of simple patriots), and I don't know how long it will be until they are rolled out on a large scale. Similarly, the rate of three injections for the most critical high-risk groups has also been delayed.
Meanwhile, our antigenic self-testing kits have not been rolled out, our hierarchical diagnosis and treatment system has not been established, and our populace has developed a deep-rooted fear under the baton of the new crowns, which is that the lethality rate is 2%, and that survivors have a bunch of after-effects such as shortening of the brain and genitals... All of these together lead to the fact that we can only continue to have a universal population of nucleic acids, and risk gathering and re-transmitting the disease; We can only make health care workers work continuously, the phenomenon of 36 hours of continuous work; we can only make it clear that home isolation can be mild or even asymptomatic patients are entering the hospital, crowding out medical resources...
With this series of debuffs, once we choose to co-exist or are forced to choose to co-exist, then perhaps a humanitarian catastrophe like that in Hong Kong may indeed occur, but isn't that the responsibility of being confident that we can always run on the clearing track!
Admittedly, I fully agree that there is no need for us to opt for openness on the premise that we still have spare capacity. But who dares to guarantee whether there is spare capacity or not, and when the spare capacity can be used? And the above preparations will take at least half a year. Once we really reach the day when we hit the wall, it will be too late and too late to make preparations. Therefore, even if the current action continues to insist on clearing the zero, it is necessary to make preparations for the principle of opening up in six months' time. Of course, if the situation is still very good half a year later, then of course, we can continue to maintain zero, but we must have the realization that we will be open half a year later! If, as is the case now, we think that we “will” open up eventually, but when asked about the specific year, we think that it will be five years, 10 years or 20 years, and then put the preparatory work on the back burner, then it will really be a waste of the adjustment period that the whole country has fought so hard to get, and the future will really be something that cannot be tolerated!
8.A brief summary
Although all the above points have been covered, but in case there are still people who do not understand, or finally in a brief summary.
The epidemic prevention and control of Shanghai proved that precision prevention and control is ineffective against Omicron, and the only way to completely clear the city is by means of Wuhan-style city sealing.
But sealing the city can only solve the current round of the epidemic, after solving the next round may come back in January.
If the sealing of the city is continued, it will be financially unbearable, and the current epidemic prevention system, which relies on high costs to function, will eventually collapse.
Therefore, with the toxicity of omicron having been greatly reduced, and with the mortality rate from proper vaccination in Hong Kong at only 3-4 per 10,000, we must prepare for the opening. After all, we have a choice now whether to opt for zeroing, but ultimately we do not always have a choice, and if we do not have the mindset that we will open up (or be forced to open up) in six months' time, the room for adjustment that we have fought for will be wasted, as it has been in the past.
To add to this: there will also be many who will question whether opening up will really be better for the economy. If liberalization is better, how to explain the 21 years of China's economic growth rate is unique?
This is the same carve-out as identifying the new crown mortality rate as being above one or even two percent, and those who argue this simply don't realize the quarterly variation in the growth rate in '21, nor do they try to understand why our growth rate in '21 stands alone.
Indeed, even if you discount the low growth rate of '20, averaging '20/'21 over two years and removing the impact of the epidemic, our growth rate was above 5%, a figure to be quite proud of.
But what sets alarm bells ringing is the Q3/Q4/21 data, where under the cover of the 8.1% growth rate for the whole of FY21, our Q3 growth rate was only 4.9%, and the Q4 growth rate has not even stopped the downward trend of continuing to fall off a cliff to 4.0%.
So may I ask, is the data for the third and fourth quarters of '21, which is directly linked to '22, a better reflection of our economic situation, or is it the bloom and bustle of the first half of '21?
And why is there such a difference, other than our confident hammering towards teaching and education and the internet, but more importantly, the international situation has changed. In the past, countries in general to the new crown are strictly limited, and we control extremely well, so as to play a time difference, like a time difference, to seize the vacancy in the manufacturing industry. The classic example is 20 years of superior Vietnam, after being broken by Delta in 21, manufacturing workers did indeed return home out of fear and quit, as many staunch purists claim, and so we literally ate the dividends.
However, the much milder toxicity of Omicron has changed everything, Vietnam is now even at the level of 100,000 new cases of Omicron per day, but only half a dozen new deaths, factory openings have not been affected in any way, and then enjoy the so-called openness of the same “afraid to go to the restaurant”, “afraid to go to crowded places”. Dare not go to restaurants”, ‘dare not go to places where people gather’, ‘factory workers fleeing and refusing to start work’, is not like masturbation?
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The following comments for the China Digital Times from the Zhihu comment section:
Toynami: There is nothing more ungrounded than talking about science before political correctness.
Cyrus Chiang: There's been more than a few times in history when people who felt they could make things happen ended up in tragedy.
百答通: Very well said and well thought out. Unfortunately, certain epidemic prevention enthusiasts will only ask you one after another whether it is 500,000, 1450, and whether there are any elderly people in the family.
南北: young people are not afraid of diagnosis, afraid of being arrested and quarantined after diagnosis, no paycheck.
曹珩: Talking about liberalization is medical resources strike through, talking about the Russian-Ukrainian war is the lips and teeth, some people's brains have only one string.
家家: orderly liberalization, both cost and efficiency will be greatly improved. I'm afraid to cover up hesitation, get to really can't hold back, really pull a crotch that's the situation is embarrassing.
年老无为: that's right. Shanghai's chaos and Hong Kong's chaos in the early fifth round of the same reason, that is, both to zero, but also trying to minimize the impact. The actual situation does not match the measures.
专心喝个水: the answer has been very rational and restrained, and did not say that now should be liberalized, I do not know why there are always some people up on the bar. Even if you do not recognize the “coexistence”, then in the case of the epidemic is still controllable, have the ability to choose the situation, save for a rainy day a little more prepared not to? No one wants to be out of options one day, but what if they are?
小胡萝卜头: This is a really well written answer, well reasoned and clearly argued, just like 5-8 years ago in Zhihu. But some of the comments took me back to 2022.
Hommie: It's been two years, isn't that enough? I don't know what will happen to the virus, anyway, now those kidney failure patients in Shanghai who can't get dialysis can't carry on.
张博德: When fighting a war, there's a big difference between a prepared retreat and a complete rout.
Cifanfan: just one question, “epidemic prevention enthusiasts” this word really look harsh, according to this logic, then you and the comment section of a number of people how to call it? “Infection enthusiasts”? // 张飞: Normal life enthusiasts.
子非鱼: compared to other, I am really afraid of due to our own epidemic prevention rigidity do not know how to adapt, and even involved in the political factors involved in the debate on the advantages and disadvantages of the system, forcibly sealing the city led to the reshaping of the international trade supply chain, this once the reshaping of the success of the accumulation of a little bit of the advantages we ate decades of hard work on the damned to play the game, which is the U.S. has been wanting to do but did not succeed, we want to do this to help them do this themselves.
忽悠大魔王: There's no perfect way to do both anymore. In the end, it's all about where public opinion ends up, and there are more and more people who want to coexist anyway, not because they really like it, but because they can't take it anymore.
Kan Zhou: Look at Shanghai, people continue to die due to strict epidemic prevention, now is to take human life for clear!
小胡萝卜头: In terms of, is there a possibility, and I'm just raising a possibility, that coexistence and lying flat might not be exactly equivalent? Like, for example, is it possible that laying flat is just like in the United States, just pretending that this disease doesn't exist anymore. But is it possible to coexist where we know there's a virus around us, but at the same time we can still maintain some measures like wearing a mask to try to prevent ourselves from catching it?
橙月: As a Shanghainese, I would like to add that at least in the past two years, Shanghai has not been closed down once, there has not been a full-scale nucleic acid test, and the medium-risk areas have been minimized so as not to affect the lives of the people, and the daily lives of the people in Shanghai are almost the same as before the outbreak, which is unimaginable in any other place. At least in the past two years, I am thankful for the precision epidemic prevention.
无敌海战队: There are always those who have no understanding of the workings of modern civilization, who on the one hand ridicule the urban pettiness of thinking that it is axiomatic that there is water as soon as it is turned on at the tap, but on the other hand look down on, or even completely deny, the role of the economy, thinking that the spiritual atomic bomb can overcome everything. And the truth is that in areas where finances are collapsing, it's hard to press on with even the current round of epidemics. --and that's just the tiniest of beginnings. That's an all too true statement!
行走的50万: precision prevention and control is bankrupt, and from now on it will be a choice between strict zeroing and full liberalization.